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Post by tigerlily on Jul 20, 2012 11:00:27 GMT -5
Who else ya got? :D Like Adam says, most of the people serving what he's trying to serve are women. And if having a Top 20 song on CHR were considered a "hit" why is BTIKM called a flop single? You asked for a solo male pop (not urban) superstar/hitmaker. I gave you some males who have had hits (CHR Top 20 or higher) since 2010, or in the last two years. That means that it is possible to get a song into the Top 20 on CHR if you are a solo male singer, who is not Urban. It isn't the majority of the songs on the Top 20, but it is possible. I never once said that these people are superstars, just that they have accomplished what we were hoping Adam would accomplish with his singles this era. If Adam had one song that did as well as WWFM off of TSP, the entire situation would be different at this point. Adam Levine is selling those massive amounts of singles because of his celebrity status, not because of his band. For the last couple of his mega hit singles, Maroon 5 has basically been a back up band. The same thing is true for Chris Daughtry. To the large majority of people, "Daughtry" means Chris Daughtry. They are both considered to be solo acts, to the large majority of the general listening public. Because the AI is so much higher for a #17 on CHR versus a #17 on HAC. Plus, most of those arftists that I listed had their song(s) go into the top 10-12 on CHR and even higher (top 5) on HAC. If Adam had a song like that this era, he would have another WWFM. WWFM was considered a hit due to the AI it had when it peaked on CHR and HAC and the amount of downloads it sold. Compare those numbers to BTIKM. That's the difference between a #17 on HAC and the songs from the artists that I listed in my previous post. |
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Post by myspencer50 on Jul 20, 2012 12:02:05 GMT -5
Number 18 on BB Dance Chart!  |
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Post by evamaria on Jul 20, 2012 12:06:06 GMT -5
You asked for a solo male pop (not urban) superstar/hitmaker. I gave you some males who have had hits (CHR Top 20 or higher) since 2010, or in the last two years. That means that it is possible to get a song into the Top 20 on CHR if you are a solo male singer, who is not Urban. It isn't the majority of the songs on the Top 20, but it is possible. I never once said that these people are superstars, just that they have accomplished what we were hoping Adam would accomplish with his singles this era. If Adam had one song that did as well as WWFM off of TSP, the entire situation would be different at this point. They succeeded, but most didn't do it with dance tracks. Of those you mentioned, Levine is the only American who did that, and that was thanks to the Voice. That makes him unusual. Calvin Harris is a Brit, with so far a single hit. Timberlake hasn't had a hit since 2007. Daughtry is rock, and the rest are singer songwriters. I agree that had either ncoe or btikm performed as well as wwfm, we wouldn't be discussing this issue. Having even a single hit would have made it possible for him to release the more unusual tracks, like Trespassing, Kickin In, or Cuckoo. |
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Post by tigerlily on Jul 20, 2012 12:30:33 GMT -5
You asked for a solo male pop (not urban) superstar/hitmaker. I gave you some males who have had hits (CHR Top 20 or higher) since 2010, or in the last two years. That means that it is possible to get a song into the Top 20 on CHR if you are a solo male singer, who is not Urban. It isn't the majority of the songs on the Top 20, but it is possible. I never once said that these people are superstars, just that they have accomplished what we were hoping Adam would accomplish with his singles this era. If Adam had one song that did as well as WWFM off of TSP, the entire situation would be different at this point. They succeeded, but most didn't do it with dance tracks. Of those you mentioned, Levine is the only American who did that, and that was thanks to the Voice. That makes him unusual. Calvin Harris is a Brit, with so far a single hit. Timberlake hasn't had a hit since 2007. Daughtry is rock, and the rest are singer songwriters. I agree that had either ncoe or btikm performed as well as wwfm, we wouldn't be discussing this issue. Having even a single hit would have made it possible for him to release the more unusual tracks, like Trespassing, Kickin In, or Cuckoo. Hey, just answering the question of what other SOLO MALE SINGERS, who are not urban, have had a hit or hits on Pop radio in the last couple of years since Adam has been releasing singles. The original question did not say: 1. not on a reality singing competition 2. not a singer songwriter type 3. not a guitar player 4. not a Brit 5. not on his first hit 6. not.....the list could go on and on......  |
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Post by stardust on Jul 20, 2012 12:59:55 GMT -5
Adam Lambert:
Trespassing: BB200 171 (165);
Never Close Our Eyes: Dance Club 23 (29)
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Post by evamaria on Jul 20, 2012 13:29:51 GMT -5
Hey, just answering the question of what other SOLO MALE SINGERS, who are not urban, have had a hit or hits on Pop radio in the last couple of years since Adam has been releasing singles. The original question did not say: 1. not on a reality singing competition 2. not a singer songwriter type 3. not a guitar player 4. not a Brit 5. not on his first hit 6. not.....the list could go on and on...... lolol you're right. I was thinking of the Cuckoo vs NCOE conversation earlier, with apologies ;D As a woman, I love that women are succeeding in the music industry, and wish that they had the same kind of clout in films. However, I also love Adam, and find the genre limitations on men nowadays ridiculous. Limiting men to wgwg or urban is as unfair as limiting women to chick flicks or the so role in action flicks. On top of that, I HATE singer-songwriter stuff, and I totally love fast, clubby songs, which is why I love Trespassing. It's all very depressing. Adam does fast and clubby better than Kesha, Gaga, or Perry. |
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Post by aralid on Jul 20, 2012 16:45:11 GMT -5
good news from German radio: after being out of the Top 50 on the mainstream (I think comparable to HAC) chart a few weeks ago, NCOE re-entered the Top 50 last week and this week reached its highest position at #36. It's not very good, but it is moving into the right direction ;D www.radiocharts.com/html/charts_de_mainstream.htm(note that Pink's new single went to #1 its first week) |
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Post by stardust on Jul 20, 2012 23:41:32 GMT -5
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Post by bullsfan on Jul 21, 2012 6:11:33 GMT -5
Ok, still in the BB200 Trespassing is holding on, now if we can just get something to give him a few little bumps in sales. |
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Post by bridget on Jul 21, 2012 8:12:37 GMT -5
Ok, still in the BB200 Trespassing is holding on, now if we can just get something to give him a few little bumps in sales. Yep - I would love it so much if that something could be one of his "Trespassing" songs being featured on So You Think You Can Dance. Is that the sort of thing you think might give it a bump? |
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Post by swarm on Jul 21, 2012 9:35:51 GMT -5
You're right! You didn't say it but I did. You offered me that list as a response to my words " superstar hitmaker". And those guys especially NAL don't meet that criteria IMO. I understand YOUR point but to come at me like I was completely clueless about other males especially with NAL and those other guys is not addressing MY point and making up your own criteria. That's fine but why cite MY words? You could have ignored me. As you can see, those guys you gave me are not "solo male hitmakers" on the pop charts and/or bands not solo acts. Yes, it's possible Levine could go solo and maintain hits on POP but for now, he's Maroon 5. My simple point was, Adam is trying to BREAK uniquely solo pop male, with at least another hit and I could even say...as a record STAR to match his celebrity (since his detractors are fast to point out that his charts don't match his ~celebrity or that he's not even a celebrity)...and it's not EASY. He said so himself. So I guess he doesn't see himself like Daughtry. Who, IMO is sort of a WGWG, too. Not easy if you're a white, non urban, male solo act [leaving out the ghey here, too]. Beibs may not be traditionally urban but his entire team is, and his new song is. Instead of resorting to the traditional [valid] "reasons", like the songs are not catchy, he's gay, Idol stigma, PDs hate Glamberts, he waited too long, blah blah blah, I was rounding out another aspect of why his efforts are difficult. And that goes for ANY non urban male (maybe not named Bruno Mars who is quite urban-sh anyway - he has a boatload of urban awards, Soul Train, Urban Music, MOBO, BET, Best Rap, Best R&B, ALMA...the list goes ON). I do happen to think he DID wait too long but it's not pejorative because I understand the reasons. But that doesn't make it not partially his or RCA's fault. Mariah said she spent her entire early career in the studio churning out music with no life. That's the way it goes for them. And not everyone is lucky like RiRi with a defined sound and songs being handed to her that radio will embrace just by virtue of her name. Which is another thing Adam did for the second time. He chose unique music to define himself. Now, I'm all for it, and understand that BTIKM and NCOE were supposed to be the defining songs that led back to WWFM as pop hits. But it didn't happen. So he's starting over again, the hard way. I actually gave Adam props for fusing funk into his new sound because I thought maybe it would break him into the urban fan base a little and thought maybe he thought so too. I have no idea though, if that is true. |
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Post by tigerlily on Jul 21, 2012 11:45:27 GMT -5
There are very few superstars....period. Does a / mean "either/or", or does it mean "both" to you? I took it as either/or. I listed artists who had hits on the CHR charts in the past two years- they made hits. They were hitmakers. All along, I've been hoping for JUST ONE HIT from this album! If Adam had JUST ONE song from TSP that did as well as WWFM, things would be very different at this point in this album era. I never expected something like "four or five #1s!!!!!" off of TSP or from any other album that has ever been released in the history of music. Unrealistic expectations are usually set ups for a disappointing reality. So, what do I wish for? The same thing I've hoped for since the FYE era was over- ONE radio hit that does as well as WWFM did. There have been a few male solo pop artist that have had a hit over the past three years, Adam is one of those few who have managed to do this. I was hoping for the same thing this era. Getting ONE hit song was possible, Adam did it with WWFM and the others I listed did it with their songs. WWFM was the right song at the right time and that is something Adam hasn't had this era..yet. |
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Post by stardust on Jul 21, 2012 11:57:57 GMT -5
I have put up the new thread because I'm heading to Fantasy Springs now! Behave yourselves!! ;D
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