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Post by eywflyer on Jun 4, 2012 17:53:38 GMT -5
Welcome, eywflyer!  Very informative post. Have you been a lurker for long? Why do you think NCOE isn't doing as well as expected by some? (RCA, for example) Top 40 adds are behind also. Tomorrow would have to be a big day in order to tie the 7 week mark that BTIKM had. I am baffled. NCOE wasn't the song I would have chosen for single #2, but I think it is a good for Pop and deserves to be heard. :-/ Hello and thank you for the welcome myspencer, I've been lurking for a few months here, have been an Adam numbers follower pretty much since the Idol days. I really don't understand what the problem is with NCOE. To me it is a more natural fit for Top 40 than BTIKM, but is trailing in adds at this point. It's doing ok on HAC, but doesn't appear at this point to be on a path to significantly out-perform BTIKM. IDK, it's pretty discouraging. |
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Post by pemd on Jun 4, 2012 17:54:23 GMT -5
NCOE was the song preferred by radio pd's and this is the result? damn It's really heartbreaking...
Adam wants a radio hit so very badly & he gave them what they wanted. Back to voting on Q102's countdown and mmtop.
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Post by stardust on Jun 4, 2012 17:56:41 GMT -5
Welcome eywflyer!! Glad you delurked. Really enjoyed your tour chart for GNT!
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Post by eywflyer on Jun 4, 2012 18:00:33 GMT -5
how do the BTIKM and NCOE HAC AI compare? also how does the Top 40 AI and chart placement compare (fewer data points, but it might be interesting to see) Unfortunately, I neglected to record AI for either HAC or Top 40 when I was tracking BTIKM chart performance back in the winter. My impression is that NCOE is doing better on HAC AI for its chart position than BTIKM was, but I don't know for sure. For Top 40, on 2/10/12 (closest date to the 7th add week I recorded from the Pulse board), BTIKM was #65 with 183 spins and a +44 move. The most recent data for NCOE from 6/2/12 has it at #67 with 119 spins and a +43 move. Again AI may be running ahead of BTIKM at this point but I don't know for sure. |
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 4, 2012 18:01:10 GMT -5
Hi eywflyer, like your post.  So what's your opinion, does RCA just have no pull at all with the large market stations anymore? And I don't get what the problem with NCOE is---seems very radio friendly, inoffensive, CHR dance. Does anyone know how NCOE is doing as compared with the IIHY trajectory? Is it way off? Glad Trespassing is holding in the top 20, but I am a little worried that with nothing to sustain sales it will slide right off the chart. |
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Post by eywflyer on Jun 4, 2012 18:04:39 GMT -5
Welcome eywflyer!! Glad you delurked. Really enjoyed your tour chart for GNT! Thank you stardust! I hope to do a similar chart for this tour, but with the demise of idolstages it may be hard to find the box office info. Kristen posts it sometimes on MJs but she doesn't seem to have as much of it as idolstages did. The boxscores website is a rather expensive subscription too. |
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Post by eywflyer on Jun 4, 2012 18:09:45 GMT -5
bullsfan, IIHY is an interesting case, it broke first on Top 40/CHR then crossed over to HAC. It had 30 adds on Top 40 (2-8-9-7-4) from 5/4/10 to 6/1/10 before getting its first HAC add on 6/7/10, and then did not get another HAC add until 7/6/10. Through 7 weeks of add dates, IIHY had 40 Top 40 adds and only the one HAC add. Its final add totals were 127 stations for Top 40 and 65 for HAC.
Relative to IIHY, NCOE is doing much better on HAC (but still not great), but much worse on Top 40. Weird because to me they seem like similar summer pop songs.
IDK what the problem is with NCOE and pop. RCA clearly doesn't have pull at least not where Adam is concerned, relatively disappointing adds last week and not a single one so far this week with a third of the Top 40 stations now reporting.
I agree that without significant NCOE airplay gains soon, Trespassing will continue to slide down the sales chart.
Sorry to be so doom & gloom, but it's hard to find much positive news in these numbers at the moment.
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Post by reihmer on Jun 4, 2012 18:13:26 GMT -5
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Post by thelambertluvva on Jun 4, 2012 18:31:35 GMT -5
Why a sad face? 5 adds is good and 3 of them are new spinners. That means his spins will inccrease. :-/ Jazz, I just checked the Q add for BTIKM and it was a Tuesday, when they added. I am trying to stay positive but I am disappointed for the reasons everyone else has mentioned. And I am jealous of all the other people who are getting adds much more easily. For Adam, it can't just be the reality show contestant thing. If that was the case, how are Chris Rene, Stephano, and P2 getting adds and/or radio play? None of them has had previous hits like Adam has. I need a drink.  |
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Post by Guest on Jun 4, 2012 18:36:01 GMT -5
Why a sad face? 5 adds is good and 3 of them are new spinners. That means his spins will inccrease. :-/ Jazz, I just checked the Q add for BTIKM and it was a Tuesday, when they added. I am trying to stay positive but I am disappointed for the reasons everyone else has mentioned. And I am jealous of all the other people who are getting adds much more easily. For Adam, it can't just be the reality show contestant thing. If that was the case, how are Chris Rene, Stephano, and P2 getting adds and/or radio play? None of them has had previous hits like Adam has. I need a drink. Can I join you for that drink? Ouch! I think I'm gonna have to go into ostrich mode and stick my head in the sand. Makes me sick that Adam spent two months doing nothing but radio promo......why? :( |
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Post by rihannsu on Jun 4, 2012 18:48:36 GMT -5
how do the BTIKM and NCOE HAC AI compare? also how does the Top 40 AI and chart placement compare (fewer data points, but it might be interesting to see) Unfortunately, I neglected to record AI for either HAC or Top 40 when I was tracking BTIKM chart performance back in the winter. My impression is that NCOE is doing better on HAC AI for its chart position than BTIKM was, but I don't know for sure. For Top 40, on 2/10/12 (closest date to the 7th add week I recorded from the Pulse board), BTIKM was #65 with 183 spins and a +44 move. The most recent data for NCOE from 6/2/12 has it at #67 with 119 spins and a +43 move. Again AI may be running ahead of BTIKM at this point but I don't know for sure. Kworb at Pulse has a site with good records that included AI. You can look in the archives and pull up each day. Just a note that he doesn't adjust his Sunday position figures to account for the removals of recurrents and purges so the Sunday positions are basically the morning numbers and not the published chart positions. If you don't want to play with that I have text files for both BTIKM and NCOE of Kworbs numbers just for Adam that I could email you. I did adjust positions for Sunday published charts. Link for Kworb's site: kworb.net/radio/ |
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Post by myspencer50 on Jun 4, 2012 18:51:32 GMT -5
Not going to worry about Pop adds for this week until end of day, tomorrow. With only 30% there is a lot to go.
Even Kelly is not getting Pop adds for her new song. You'd think after the success of Stronger, she'd be one of those "automatic" people, like Katy. But nope! I know Darkside isn't a great song (I am a Kelly fan, so I am not dissing her.) But still, being a good song has never been a criteria.
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Post by theosgma on Jun 4, 2012 18:52:03 GMT -5
Welcome, eywflyer! Very informative post. Have you been a lurker for long? Why do you think NCOE isn't doing as well as expected by some? (RCA, for example) Top 40 adds are behind also. Tomorrow would have to be a big day in order to tie the 7 week mark that BTIKM had. I am baffled. NCOE wasn't the song I would have chosen for single #2, but I think it is a good for Pop and deserves to be heard. :-/ Hello and thank you for the welcome myspencer, I've been lurking for a few months here, have been an Adam numbers follower pretty much since the Idol days. I really don't understand what the problem is with NCOE. To me it is a more natural fit for Top 40 than BTIKM, but is trailing in adds at this point. It's doing ok on HAC, but doesn't appear at this point to be on a path to significantly out-perform BTIKM. IDK, it's pretty discouraging. Wow. Glad to see someone else from South Florida. Thanks for the posts. I am trying REALLY hard not to freak out. I will give myself to tomorrow at this time. I cannot understand how an artist with world wide acclaim and a number one album gets less adds and radio play than Stefano. I just don't get it. |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Jun 4, 2012 18:57:08 GMT -5
how do the BTIKM and NCOE HAC AI compare? also how does the Top 40 AI and chart placement compare (fewer data points, but it might be interesting to see) Unfortunately, I neglected to record AI for either HAC or Top 40 when I was tracking BTIKM chart performance back in the winter. My impression is that NCOE is doing better on HAC AI for its chart position than BTIKM was, but I don't know for sure. For Top 40, on 2/10/12 (closest date to the 7th add week I recorded from the Pulse board), BTIKM was #65 with 183 spins and a +44 move. The most recent data for NCOE from 6/2/12 has it at #67 with 119 spins and a +43 move. Again AI may be running ahead of BTIKM at this point but I don't know for sure. I looked them up on adaminradioland just because I was curious. It's hard to find exact dates that line up, but: HACBTIKM, week 7 (2/13) AI 2.267 NCOE, week 7 (6/4) AI 2.115 Top 40BTIKM, week 7 (2/10) AI 0.582 NCOE, week 7 (6/3) AI 1.185 So HAC is pretty similar but NCOE is doing much better on AI on Top 40 compared to BTIKM at the same point. Which makes sense given the radio concerts and Top 40 stations currently spinning. I think the adds are fine. I don't expect the same push give to a brand new artist with their first make or break single for NCOE, and as long as it's trending in the right direction (which it is), I'm patient as to how long it takes to get there. |
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Post by taumbu on Jun 4, 2012 19:05:02 GMT -5
0k, so are there any positives at all?
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