The koi are swimming peacefully, the plants are watered, the Moroccan tents and carpets have been cleaned - with just a hint of oranges and sandalwood. And the maze contains ~many things. I mention this because my move has finally gotten very crunchy and I think I will be away not sleeping much until the weekend. I'll try to look in but wanted you to know that I haven't run away to join the circus...
I realized yesterday that I had been posting mostly about the fandom and fan behavior rather than directly about Adam. I'm thinking maybe this isn't interesting to anybody else? In case it is, I'm going to give it another go ... I'd like to throw out a post here for dreaming. Would love to know what others think.
Junie, for me it is not a lack of interest, it is a lack of time and some time zone disconnects - I always seem to be last to any party on US-driven fansites, even in the "slower" threads.
I've really enjoyed what everyone here has had to say, their ideas and perspectives, their care and their beautiful visual gifts.
I have very, very limited Adam time at the moment, so my posts are not that thoughtful (despite your lovely compliment otherwise), they're written in a rush between other things I have to do, more like a stream of ideas only, rather than anything more coherent and even lacking precision at times (pointed out to me by one poster). Sometimes all I can manage is a little visual "gift" that I hope people might enjoy.
And I do apologise, because there have been many things written here that deserved more consideration that I have been able to give, both Adam and non-Adam related - and I enjoy both. Even those topics that are less interesting to me, I still try to respond to, because the person wants the interaction, wants the conversation and it's really nice to just chat as well.
I also hope that you don't feel any pressure to keep this thread going, or to keep suggesting possible interesting topics. Sometimes we can seem to be just in a mulling mood, not sure.
I was thinking some more about the file sharing discussion and also the earlier comment vivlite posted about how we can often lose sight of what is in front of us by focusing too narrowly on it. The file sharing is just part of what we find in our culture today, a loss of the sense of the common good. Every man for himself.
As fans there are so many ways to channel our energy rather than wrecking the night for others (as a drunk woman did at my GNT concert) or aggressively shouting things to try to insert ourselves into Adam's consciousness (Marry me, Adam! at moments of exquisite emotional intensity).
I see it as another reflection of the fraying of the community spirit, an "I got mine, to hell with you" Darwinism that extends even to the performer himself. I wish people would extend their energy into honing their own talents, and then come to the show with respect for the hard work of the performers who have done the same.
I'm still back in this part of the thread . You've come back to this notion a few times in different ways, so here are some of my thoughts. (random, lack of precision alert).
I'm not sure we've ever truly had a global sense of the "common good" or true sense of community in the first place to lose (I'm talking about western societies). What it means has never been very clear or anywhere near universally accepted. And its meaning has always favoured the interests of those with economic and political power. So, at best, it's been fractured, self-serving and enforced on individuals to greater and lesser degrees - through social and cultural norms that support those dominant interests.
That's not to say that there have not been sub-cultures built around a myriad of things. But they are inherently unstable - you lose the reason for forming the group in the first place, and it collapses fairly readily. Perhaps some of us have been privileged enough to be members of those, and hence are mourning their loss. I also believe it's much easier to have a sense of "being in it together" when economic times are good. When they're not, the dog-eat-dog tendency gets much stronger, but it always has been there.
Our societies are based on the notion of the individual and the primary rights of individuals. The sense of "other" is the foundation of the concept of community.
What motivates individuals, within their beings, to me is always primary. A loving heart self-regulates because it is motivated by the notion that “where my need stops, yours begins because we are one and the same”. You could call it individual moral choice, if this way of looking at it fits better.
I think human history shows us that, on the whole, something entirely different is motivating us, hence the need for so much external regulation to force the issue of considering others, to greater and lesser degrees at different times, but certainly in every sphere of life.
I tend to believe that peoples' conduct was simply better regulated in the past, that the notion of community in the larger sense was more "social correctness" than anything that genuinely came from a sense of love or moral choice. We venerate the "selfless", those that sacrifice themselves through choice, e.g. Mandela, or other "everyday heroes" because they are rare. That tells me a lot.
Adam is a poster child for individual freedom and expression - to the degree of "fuck you". But it is well tempered by his sense of "other", you know, the various statements he made during GNT about connection to love that were roundly and loudly mocked by so many?
I don't think I could stomach him, great voice aside, without this notion. He'd just be another egotistical rock star in a long, boring line of them.
Ran across this great quote this morning. It reminded me so much of Adam!
…fear arises because our ego perceives that everything should move in a straight line toward the solution it thinks is correct. It is unable to realize that the Creative works things out by using every direction the situation takes. The Creative, it may be said, works in zig-zag fashion, tacking this way and that, confounding the supervisory ego, and its ever-lasting search to control. -- Carol Anthony’s A Guide to the I Ching
chapf, I love you.
Mika, good luck with your move! Moving is the hardest work there is!
Nikki, I have so many thoughts about your thoughts that I don't know what direction to go in! What will make or break us in the Moon Garden is if we can create enough mutual trust to speak our minds. That takes time to develop and is up to us.
Last Edit: Jun 27, 2012 9:40:10 GMT -5 by juniemoon
I wanted to share something beautiful with you guys and hope that you find it as compelling and heartening as I did. It's a little long but worth it. It tells the story of a brilliant pianist named Derek, who is blind and mentally disabled due to being born prematurely. This man can't even dress without help, but he communicates with enchanting creativity through his music.
As nikki noted earlier about Adam, there is more here than robotic brilliance, there is a warmth and irresistible drive to connect with others that drives Derek. Without that, he'd be a player piano ... with it, his life is one of redemption and transcending limitations to produce something of real value. Enjoy!
juniemoon, that was brilliant. At first I thought I would just listen to a little bit but the time passed quickly and I was engrossed. The desire to connect with others must be so deeply ingrained in our psyches that nothing can stop it. A beautiful story.
Sorry about your bad day. There might be something in your mailbox that would make it better. ;D
I keep running across quotes that remind me of Adam. These wise words were from, of all places, Carl Richards' personal finance blog in the NYT:
There’s an old saying that you should take a look at your checkbook and your calendar to see what you really value as opposed to what you say you value, because the calendar and the checkbook never lie…
…It may help to think of life in units — units of time, units of energy and so on. Each day, you take some of your units and exchange them for units of money. You then take those units of money and spend them on something. But every time you exchange a unit, there’s a tradeoff, and we often fail to look past the immediate return to the potential long-term consequences.
But the point remains that when it comes to our human capital, we’re not very good at judging the value of the tradeoff or even considering it in the first place.
Last week, on Harvard Business Review’s Web site, Umair Haque pointed out that “The ‘best’ investment you can make isn’t gold. It’s the people you love, the dreams you have, and living a life that matters."
What do you think? Are you happy with how you invest your own time, energy, and money? I think I could do a lot better on all three.
Perhaps we can look at Adam's calendar and see what he values ... what he is investing in, what his dreams are. And if we don't like it ... maybe we need to look at our own calendars instead of criticizing Adam's?
The title turns out to relate to the creativity of the inventor interviewed here, who turns out to have invented the world's best-selling vacuum after 15 years and over 5000 tries. He has many insights into the creative process -- and the anger, optimism, and mistakes involved. I would love to know what others thought in relation to Adam.
A lot of people give up when the world seems to be against them, but that’s the point when you should push a little harder. I use the analogy of running a race. It seems as though you can’t carry on, but if you just get through the pain barrier, you’ll see the end and be okay.
Such interesting contemplations on this thread! I'm away from home at present on Bhutan, so wont stay long on this computer but wanted to share this pic with you - from Bhutan - because it goes with the beauty in this place. This country is a country of dragons and magic!
Adam is certainly wolf, and tiger and he is very much dragon - spendiferous and fluid!
I am reading the best book by Jodi Picoult called Lone Wolf. I haven't gotten to the end yet, but I have the feeling I am going to cry. I didn't know where to go to recommend it to you gals so I came here. It is a beauty.
I'm away from home at present on Bhutan, so wont stay long on this computer but wanted to share this pic with you - from Bhutan - because it goes with the beauty in this place. This country is a country of dragons and magic!
Ooh, I love Bhutan! I hope one day Adam has enough time to go - it is magical. He would love it!
I'm very tired but I have to say watching Adam on that youngling show really brightened me up - I hadn't realized how much I wanted to see him with a young crowd. The energy is so different and amazing.
So the U.K. hmm? Well, I have been wanting to move into Adele's house - it's not like she doesn't have space. But I've been wondering how to get Adam and Anderson Cooper to come along - now I think I'm half way there! Along w/partners of course. (At dinner, I think I can chat w/Adele's boyfriend and certainly Anderson. While Sauli and Anderson's partner and Adele will get along famously I believe. Then Adam and Adele will sing after dinner - I imagine Anderson can play the piano, he can do most things.) What? You're thinking I've given this too much thought?
My move out is mostly over. ...And there's a new Aaron Sorkin drama, twitter actually has some very funny lines today, I'm going to Iceland, and I am hopeful Adam is gathering powerful allies as he makes his way towards Mordor (to toss U.S. radio in I hope - Carly Rae Jepsen is so very precioussss). 8-)
(I really want to add a small moon party pic but no go on hotel 'net. But party!)
Just wanted to jump in quickly before all the excitement of the Kiev show today.
I too enjoyed watching Adam at the "youngling show". Friday Download. He was fully engaged with these kids both in playing that "musical chairs" thing (which I couldn't quite understand what was going on) and in giving them a joyous performance of NCOE with riffs and hand-clapping. No patronizing or condescending, but just fully in the moment with these kids. When I see things like this with Adam, my admiration and love for him just increases.
You do not have to shout but if you want to chat....
maitospf: crazyladym...happening to me too!
May 15, 2013 19:42:49 GMT -5
ayleim: Just checking - so there were NO Adam-sightings in the performance show right? Then I don't have to worry about being near the TV later tonight, I can just listen from the kitchen. :D
May 15, 2013 22:25:54 GMT -5
Q3: The second log-in is part of the security system to protect the site from hackers. If you want to avoid it, select the option to keep me logged in.
May 16, 2013 11:18:07 GMT -5
vivlite: Good to know about the log-in option..I kept wondering if I was imagining things when I had to log on twice..whew..
May 16, 2013 13:59:55 GMT -5
vivlite: Gotta stop down here more often..
May 16, 2013 14:01:03 GMT -5
crazylady: Q3, thanks for the update on the login process! Really appreciate it!
May 16, 2013 18:20:10 GMT -5
maitospf: Yes thank you Q3. Thought I was jinked there for a minute
May 16, 2013 21:11:10 GMT -5
maitospf: Woops - sorry! jinxed (the ghosts of my english teachers would haunt me for not proofreading, so there you you go) ... 8-|
May 16, 2013 21:13:49 GMT -5
minnie12: this is great, Sauli deserves the support. There's no negativity here and that's nice.
May 17, 2013 23:57:11 GMT -5
May 18, 2013 0:48:25 GMT -5
minnie12: Nice to see all the pics of Sauli and his friends. Has a lot of female friends. Goes out a lot with Ade?
May 18, 2013 23:48:39 GMT -5
blueberry: A tech question. When I post, I'm stuck in BB Code, can't get back to Preview. Any ideas? I have Preview as default in my profile, but that doesn't help.
May 18, 2013 23:56:59 GMT -5
Q3: blueberry. there should be a two labels on tabs at the bottom of the REPLY box -- one labeled Preview and one labeled BBCode. Can you see these or are they gone?
May 19, 2013 2:08:40 GMT -5
blueberry: Q3, I can still see the labels, but when I click on the Preview label, nothing happens. And every time I start a new post, it automatically takes me to BB Code. Otherwise it doesn't matter, but posting pictures would be easier in Preview (copy+paste).
May 19, 2013 2:14:12 GMT -5
JazzRocks: Q3 - I forgot where I click to make a contribution to Atop.
May 19, 2013 10:30:45 GMT -5
Q3: Oh in the site conversion the link to support ATop went away. I will restore it.
May 20, 2013 9:30:25 GMT -5
JazzRocks: Thanks Q3.
May 20, 2013 16:09:32 GMT -5
QueeenAl: Adaaaaam! Is in my city, breathing the same air, and tonight I will hear Love wins over Glamour LIVE for the first time! --- I think that is shout-worthy :-D
May 25, 2013 3:36:01 GMT -5
butterfly: QueeenAl, you lucky girl! Take it all!!!
May 25, 2013 4:13:20 GMT -5
mszue: grrr Q3....is there an option to this pro boards? Is there a reason you like this host? it is absolutely the worst operating frustration...there is barely a day when everything is working as it should and it has been weeks now! grrrrrr frustrating
May 25, 2013 14:20:01 GMT -5