[quote author=swarm board=daily thread=991 post=270623 time=1341671509 (NOTE: My comments are not meant towards YOU but to the fan base in general, and I stipulate my writing comes off as very direct but it's just my "way" from being in a hurry and having been a tech writer for so long.)[/quote]
That's fine, I can speak very directly as well and I would like to tackle your post here
In my research, the "vocal minority" is what? About 30 people if that?
LOL Adam official members size versus Queen Online.
To be fair Adam is a very active musician with a ton of news to report. Queen is not very active as an entity. It was quite bigger when Queen toured with Paul Rodgers and the like.
[quote[We won't even go INTO how rude they are towards Adam's fans and enjoy the practice of kicking kittens. [/quote]
Some are - one though let's face it is an adam fan harasser that came from another site - I wouldn't count him.
When unencumbered with facts they just lie. Like swearing Adam said he was the perfect replacement for Freddie because he's gay.
I missed that. Not saying it didn't happen but I don't remember that.
Or that he's using a prompter because he doesn't know the words evidenced by the fact he glanced downward once at Kiev during Radio Gaga.
He might be. I don't know for certain but I wouldn't be surprised if there was one *shrugs* They only had three weeks and I believe in one of the videos I saw evidence of one. It isn't horrible given the timeframe
New releases of known material, and playing favorites on tour, as per ROGER, because it's DEMANDED of them. They are FINALLY able to throw a couple of old tracks in the new show BECAUSE OF ADAM.
This I would not so much agree. There are quite a few older non-hit tracks that Paul Rodgers for example could have handled well. Adam could handle different tracks as could Tom Chaplin from Keane (who sang It's A Hard Life at the Princes' Trust with B&R - if you look for the video it is sublime and won complete adoration from all the fans on QOL.)
HOW do these "fans" think B&R are going to replace OLD FANS DYING OFF with the current generation if they don't engage them? Ridiculous.
To be fair it's not the fact that they are trying to connect with the current generation but the argument is that they are ignoring the fans that got them where they are in the first place. I think a bit of balance would get them far to satisfying both sides.
Furthermore, maybe they don't FEEL LIKE LIVING IN THE PAST and think it's simply FUN.
Again agreed, and again there could be a better balance I think.
Roger already said if he had the secret to churning out pop music singles he wouldn't have to be touring in his 60's.
LOL First rule about Queen. Take ANYTHING Roger says with a grain of salt. That comment was very tongue in cheek. And this is not bashing
OTOH, I have NEVER SEEN Brian having so much FUN on tour INCLUDING with Freddie. Freddie NEVER did stuff to crack Brian's shit up right on stage like ADam is doing.
Now this I take exception with...and I think Brian would as well. Freddie used to crack Brian up all the time. They had a ton of fun working together and touring together.
LOL the homophobia is pathetic! Some 50 year old hetero Queen fan living in some village somewhere proselytizer with their "rights of free speech" and their own definition of homophobia, and/or the dismissal of the entire concept of homophobia.
To this I will say that knowing more of the posters there, I think you'll actually find that most of the homophobia you mention is done VERY ironically. Some of the worst offenders, "jokers" are proudly homosexual themselves and are just very dry. I understand why they are misunderstood. I'm not saying it's a good way to act...but I think they are trying to play on some Adam's fans...tendency to get extremely passionate (being nice )
Of course, these people have no idea about LGBT history, what homophobia REALLY is, while they allow on the official site and in fact promote their hate speech about Adam being effeminate, "NAUSEATING", too gay, child of Liza Minnelli, wearing gay clothes, might be a woman, is a drag queen etc etc etc. Oh and he's a disgusting ginger. WTAF.
I do think it worked both ways. There were some posts from Adam fans that accused Queen fans for not liking the collaboration because Adam was gay. Which to me seemed like quite a jump to make. I do believe some people took up with that and decided to ratch it up ironically. I'm not saying it doesn't exist and I'm not trying to condone it because I don't condone homophobia in any fashion...but both sides kind of got under each other's skins on that one.
FACT: Freddie sacrificed his entire life for that fanbase, unable to live a fulfilled life and courageously live out HIS dreams.
Fact? I'm not sure that's a statement you can make. He was very happy with Queen and lived out some great dreams such as his opera album with Montserrat Caballe etc. I think that's a bit OTT.
Professionally: The first thing he did was put out a pop album when he left. So this crap about Adam and pop is truther talk. AND his album wasn't so greatly received by these so called die hart fans who never even charted his #1 single until it was remixed long after his death.
Its not like he didn't explore the genres in Queen - look at Hot Space, etc. And Freddie's first solo album is absolutely 80s pop. But do diehard fans have to like every product put out by an artist? I don't like every song Freddie ever did and he's a musical god to me.
Personally: His sacrifice speaks for itself. Because of his notoriety he was completely unable to pursue happiness and experience a complete and fulfilled life - with Mary Austin he was locked into her emotionally unable to pursue a true relationship with a man. And at the end, had to mask his male partner as the gardener for six years. The tragedy of his life is completely overshadowed by his so called "fans" demands for Freddie purity and "more music, more music, more music". No Freddie No Queen. PFFFT Even Freddie's death bed statement was clinical. He was unable to be true to himself and put out the message for his LGBT community including asking for research and funding to put the ghey plague in the forefront of research because of this "fanbase" and public opinion. [/quote]
Again I'm not certain where this comes from either. I'm also exactly sure what you mean. I mean I always knew Freddie was gay and it never bothered me in the slightest. I think you are assuming too much when it comes to Mary. They just were closer than anyone. Freddie's quote about all his male and female lovers (well 2 anyways) were that none of them compared to Mary. They just knew each other completely. I don't think that was an attempt to hide. I'm not a fool, he definitely did a few things if not to hide, then to at least avoid the conversation but I think you're being awfully harsh on an entire fanbase there.
And WHY AREN"T Queen+Lambert doing that!!!! It's all that American Lambert's fault!! (oh played it or something in Moscow? *crickets*)
To be fair again it was a fair question - I never saw it as an accusation merely a suggestion. It was something that had been done since 1974 except when in Ireland even with the PR tours. I think you are seeing vitriol there where it is. Someone suggested it might have been because Adam was American but it wasn't in a pejorative fashion.
Why should B&R give up a year of their lives if THERE EVEN IS some old stuff from before 1991? How do they know it is even resurrect-able?
They should know because we know there are two people Greg Brooks/Gary Taylor whose jobs it is to archive the material. Rog even went on about what they have been finding...so it is there and it does sound good.
And all this talk about Michael Jackson + Freddie release? They make not a dime on that, most likely so let someone else pay and do the labor to put it out.
Who doesn't make a dime on it?
ONE IMPORTANT FACT is that some fans are upset more with Queen Productions in general than specifically B&R. And supposedly Brian and Roger were adding to the tracks so they would make a dime off it.
BTW do the fans know if Freddie's old material never put out by Queen before 1991 is royalty to Mary Austin OR Queen? No, I didn't think so.
If it was Freddie's solo material it would go to Freddie's estate as managed by Jim Beach, partially to Mary, partially to Freddie's sister and his parents. But most of the solo stuff isn't in question since the Freddie Solo Anthology was put out in a very comprehensive box set in 2000....which of course led to the discussion that because Freddie wasn't around to veto it and B&R COULDN'T veto it, is the only way so much archival material was released....
Freddie had 7 years to get his affairs in place and unless Freddie Truthers have access to his documents they really don't know WHAT is available and WHAT the benefits to Queen B&R may be. Nor do they know the relationship among them. My mother changed her will 5 times before she died.
The copy of the will is actually accessible. If it is Queen recordings it is a 4 way split between the band. That was decided in 1989.
Anyways not trying to start any vicious argument - not my scene...but I felt compel to do at least a slight rebuttal...
Post by Sagittarius on Jul 7, 2012 12:30:08 GMT -5
Bitch please, we brought GLAAD to their knees in 2009 they have no clue sitting over there LOL.
Meat Loaf 04/08/2012
" Adam Lambert, by the way, is possibly one of the three greatest singers in the entire world. I link him with Aretha, Whitney, and Adam Lambert. I couldn’t touch those three with a ten foot, or hundred foot, pole. Emotionally I can, vocally I couldn't."
You do not have to shout but if you want to chat....
crazylady: login" again and then I will get the "redirecting" message at the top. Weird, huh
May 14, 2013 12:58:36 GMT -5
butterfly: I also have to login twice, such as crazylady.
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crazylady: Sorry you are having the same login problem, butterfly, but at least I am in good company! At least we can log in! I'd panic if I couldn't! LOL
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maitospf: crazyladym...happening to me too!
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ayleim: Just checking - so there were NO Adam-sightings in the performance show right? Then I don't have to worry about being near the TV later tonight, I can just listen from the kitchen. :D
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Q3: The second log-in is part of the security system to protect the site from hackers. If you want to avoid it, select the option to keep me logged in.
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vivlite: Good to know about the log-in option..I kept wondering if I was imagining things when I had to log on twice..whew..
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vivlite: Gotta stop down here more often..
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crazylady: Q3, thanks for the update on the login process! Really appreciate it!
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maitospf: Yes thank you Q3. Thought I was jinked there for a minute
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maitospf: Woops - sorry! jinxed (the ghosts of my english teachers would haunt me for not proofreading, so there you you go) ... 8-|
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minnie12: this is great, Sauli deserves the support. There's no negativity here and that's nice.
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minnie12: Nice to see all the pics of Sauli and his friends. Has a lot of female friends. Goes out a lot with Ade?
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blueberry: A tech question. When I post, I'm stuck in BB Code, can't get back to Preview. Any ideas? I have Preview as default in my profile, but that doesn't help.
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Q3: blueberry. there should be a two labels on tabs at the bottom of the REPLY box -- one labeled Preview and one labeled BBCode. Can you see these or are they gone?
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blueberry: Q3, I can still see the labels, but when I click on the Preview label, nothing happens. And every time I start a new post, it automatically takes me to BB Code. Otherwise it doesn't matter, but posting pictures would be easier in Preview (copy+paste).
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JazzRocks: Q3 - I forgot where I click to make a contribution to Atop.
May 19, 2013 10:30:45 GMT -5
Q3: Oh in the site conversion the link to support ATop went away. I will restore it.
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JazzRocks: Thanks Q3.
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